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Administrative Information

Scope and Content Note

Biographical Information

Lineage

Selected Search Terms

Partial Interview Transcript



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New Land New Lives Oral History Collection
Jenny Larsen Pedersen
A Guide to Her Oral History Interview

Administrative Information

Creator: Pedersen , Jenny Larsen

Collection Nr: t147-148

File Content:

3 file folders
4 photographs
2 sound cassettes
0 compact discs

Processing Information:

The interview was conducted using a cassette recorder. A research copy was also prepared from the original. To further preserve the content of the interview, it is now being transferred to compact disc. We deliberately did not transcribe the entire interview because we want the researchers to listen to the interviewee's own voice. The transcription index highlights important aspects of the interview and the tape counter numbers noted on the Partial Interview Transcription are meant as approximate finding guides and refer to the location of a subject on the cassette/CD.

Interviewed by Inger Nygaard Carr
Transcribed by Mary Sue Gee, Julie Peterson and Becky Husby
Encoded by Kerstin Ringdahl & Amity Smetzler
Recording Quality: Good

Restrictions:

The collection is available for research.

Preferred Citation:

[Collection Number, Collection Title]
New Land New Lives Oral History Collection
Scandinavian Immigrant Experience Collection
Robert A.L. Mortvedt Library
Pacific Lutheran University
Tacoma, WA 98447


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Scope and Content Note

This interview was conducted with Jenny Pedersen on March 2, 1982 in Kirkland, Washington. It contains information on family background, sewing, marriage and family, emigration to Canada and the United States, community involvement, and Danish heritage. The interview also includes a photograph of Jenny at age eight, a photograph of Jenny with her husband and two sons, and two photographs of Jenny at the time of the interview.


Biographical Information

Jenny Pedersen was born on October 5, 1899 in Esbjerg, Denmark to Søren and Andria Larsen. Andria was Søren's second wife, and Jenny had eight half-sisters and five full- siblings. Jenny's father was an avid Christian, and all of the children were raised strictly in this philosophy. The family had two very prosperous businesses, Larsen's Delicatessen, which was run by Jenny's mother, and Larsen's Fish Market, which was run by Jenny's father. According to Jenny, she was very close to her family and had a wonderful home life. When Jenny finished school at age fourteen, she got a job sewing buttons on lined dressed and shirts. She did that job for six months and then worked as her parents' errand girl for six months. She was also employed at a factory, where she sewed waistbands on skirts. This job greatly improved Jenny's sewing speed and capability, and when she was sixteen, she began sewing dresses for people. She later went to Copenhagen to learn designing. Knowing a few basic things, Jenny was able to make a variety of designs and fit clothes to the person. Jenny met her husband, Martinus Kristen (Chris) Pedersen, through her half-sister Kathryn Jensen, who lived on Bainbridge Island in Washington. Chris was also from Denmark but went to Australia when he was nineteen and later took a ship to the United States, landing on Bainbridge Island. Kathryn encouraged Chris to return to Denmark and marry Jenny. Chris took her advice and met Jenny in 1921. They were married the following year on June 4 and moved to Vejle, Chris's hometown. In Vejle, they had their first son, Neils. Both Jenny and Chris wanted to move to the United States, but they ended up immigrating to Canada in 1925. They found work at a farm outside of Winnipeg and later at a farm in Vancouver, British Columbia. Eventually, they were able to obtain Visas and moved to Ballard, WA. In Ballard, Chris got a job as a longshoreman, and their second son, Bert, was born. They later moved to Kirkland, where Jenny set up a sewing business out of their home. Through the years, Jenny has maintained Scandinavian traditions and has belonged to the Danish Brotherhood in Seattle. She can still speak Danish and has returned to Denmark once, in 1962.


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Lineage:

Full Name: Jenny Pedersen
Maiden Name: Jenny Rose Natalia Larsen
Father: Søren Larsen
Mother: Andria Larsen
Maternal Grandfather: Jens Andersen
Brothers and Sisters: 4 brothers and 10 sisters
Harry Emanuel Larsen
Emil Larsen
Peter Larsen
Karl Larsen
Kathryn Larsen
Lydia Larsen
Spouse: Martinus Kristen Pedersen
Children: Neils Anker Pedersen
Bert Roland Pedersen

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Selected Search Terms

This collection is indexed under the following headings

Personal Names
Pedersen, Jenny
Larsen, Søren
Larsen, Andria
Jensen, Kathryn
Pedersen, Martinus Kristen (Chris)
Pedersen, Neils
Pedersen, Bert

Family Names
Larsen family
Pedersen family

Geographical Names
Esbjerg (Denmark)
Vejle (Denmark)
Winnipeg (Man.)
Vancouver (B.C.)
Ballard (Wash.)

Subjects
Family -- Denmark
Denmark -- Emigration and immigration
Esbjerg (Denmark) -- Emigration and immigration
Denmark -- Economic conditions -- 1899-1925
Denmark -- Social conditions -- 1899-1925
Marriage service
Christmas -- Denmark
Hellig Olaf (Steamship)
Ocean travel
Railroad travel
Naturalization
Danish Brotherhood -- Lodge 29 (Seattle, Wash.)
Denmark -- Social conditions -- 1945-

Occupations
Dressmaking

Genre/Form
Oral history

Institution
Pacific Lutheran University. Scandinavian Immigrant Experience Collection

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Partial Interview Transcription

The partial interview transcription highlights important aspects of the interview. Numbers on the left may be used as guides to important subjects. Two numbers separated by a slash indicate that the first number is for cassette and the second for CD.

005 PERSONAL BACKGROUND: Jenny Rose Natalia Pedersen. Maiden name Larsen. Born in Esbjerg, Denmark on October 5, 1899. This is on the west side of Jylland (Jutland) by the North Sea. It is a big fishing town with lots of ships coming in and out.

009 PARENTS: Father used to fish but quit because it was do dangerous. He was in the coast guard for eight years, but so many drowned that he bought a fishing boat in Lønstrup, Denmark in the North Sea.

026 Father's first wife died. He then married Jenny's mother, Andria Andersen. They moved to Esbjerg, which was a new seaport town. Her father's name was Søren Larsen.

033 FAMILY: Father had eight girls from the first marriage and six kids from the second marriage. Father met second wife in church.

042 WORK: Mother started a delicatessen in Esbjerg and her father started a fish market with fresh fish from the harbor every day. Good business.

051 DELICATESSEN: Kids helped their mother in the delicatessen. Had lots of cheese and meat in large quantities. Had pigs-feet. She describes cleaning and pickling these. Kids ground meat for meatballs.

067 SCHOOL: 1914, Jenny got out of school at age 14. Most ended school when 14 unless they went for more training. Started school at age 7.

073 GRANDPARENTS: Remembers maternal grandfather. She visited him some. His name was Jens Andersen. It was a long way to go visit him. He came to visit in the summer. He was on old age pension. Jenny was his namesake.

86 Grandfather had a small house with wooden floors that were scrubbed with sand to keep them white.

94 PATERNAL SIDE: Jenny doesn't remember her father ever speaking of his family. They were from Lønstrup, Denmark. Father was born in February 1852 and died November 7, 1928 in Esbjerg, Denmark.

111 GRANDFATHER: His house was full of ivy. Couldn't hardly see out the windows. Jenny recalls visiting her grandfather with her brother.

116 BROTHERS AND SISTERS: One older and three younger. Had one sister, Lydia who stayed in Denmark, married and had four children. All her siblings are teachers.

124 SEWING: Jenny learned how to sew when she got out of school. About ten here. They put buttons in lined dresses and shirts. She stayed there for 1/2 year. She got sick because she was inside so much.

135 Worked in the same town so she lived at home. They ate a big meal at mid day.

142 WORK: Jenny worked six months as an errand girl for her parents.

146 FACTORY WORK: Got job in a factory sewing waistbands on skirts. She began to sew faster.

153 DRESSMAKING: When she was 16 she began sewing for people. She went out to their homes and did tailoring. Her father knew many people which helped Jenny get dressmaking jobs.

167 Delicatessen and fish market were next to each other. Mother did lots of baking. Made fish cakes. She was very good with fish. The kids all learned to fish. They owned both Larsen's Delicatessen and Larsen's fish market.

184 Her sister worked with her mother in the store after school. They made rullepoelse, sliced meat and cheese. They had pumpernickel bread, which was purchased, at the local bakery.

196 BROTHERS AND SISTERS: Lydia worked for a lawyer (?). Father bought a five-story house on Kings street (Kongensgade). They rented out parts of the house to various businesses.

212 SISTERS: Jenny had lots of half sisters. They came home when they were out of work.

215 Harry Emanuel was quite sick with asthma. He went to a doctor in Germany who told him was allergic to something and recommended that he move to the mountains or go to the sea. He was a seaman. Jenny was a dressmaker and went around making dresses. She would go to different towns and stay with people.

250 AUTO RACES: Jenny described a place called Fanø. People came from all over. They had auto races because the sand was just like cement.

258 EMIL: Learned to be a cook. He cooked on a ship. Jenny went to Copenhagen to learn designing. Emil went with her to learn more cooking. Emil got a job with a ship that sailed from Esbjerg to Harwich, England.

277 PETER: Another brother. Karl: Was the youngest brother. He went sailing sometimes with his other brother Harry.

288 GIRLS' LIFESTYLES: Most girls after school went to live with a family and help them with the housekeeping, childcare, etc. They would marry and stay in the same town.

297 Jenny bought a sewing machine after she made some money. She did lots of sewing.

300 CHILDHOOD HOME: Big, wonderful relationship with her family. Father was born again Christian. She describes an experience her father had in the coast guard.

326 CHURCH: There was no church in Lønstrup. People just gathered together. She continues on with her story about her father.

349 When her father and his friend went inland with fish trading for vegetables they would pray and sing with the people. Father's friend was Anton Bass Ledon (?) who went to Copenhagen to become a minister. This was Jenny's father best friend. He later became a bishop.

333 CHURCH: Describes church growth. All baptized in one church. Needed another church. Father told the children to save some money and buy bricks for the new church. The government owned all the churches. Took tax money for the churches.

398 They got everything like sugar, flour, etc at a percentage off because there were so many children in the family.

407 CHRISTMAS: A wonderful time. Three sisters joined the Salvation Army. They had singing and bible reading at home like church. They sometimes invited neighbors in. It was busy in the fish market and the delicatessen.

431 CHILDHOOD HOME: They had a room in the house called the "store stuen" which was carpeting. This was a special room for special occasions.

436 CHURCH: The church bells rang at 6pm; it was time to get ready for church. Church started at 8pm. Time to lay down work and go to church.

444 CHRISTMAS EVE: Gathered around the tree. Candles on the tree. Homemade gifts, socks, scarves, etc. Jenny remembers getting a doll her mother had made for her from her father's socks.

469 CHRISTMAS DAY: Went to church. Had codfish Christmas Eve. Didn't have lutefisk in Denmark.

474 Father had many different fish, lobster, crab, etc, but she'd never had lutefisk.

482 FIXING CODFISH: Father salted the fish overnight, then sliced it and boiled it. They ate it with white gravy, parsley, boiled potatoes and soup. They had soup every day. It was a sweet soup with tapioca, apples, raisins, and prunes.

496 DESSERT: Had laukake (?), an apple cake. There were layers of bread dried in the oven then crushed and fried in oil. Then it was put in a dish and layered with apples. Whipped cream was added.

510 FOOD: Had pork roast for Christmas holidays. Didn't do much baking. Mother made a big kringle. The oven at home wasn't big enough. Brought it to a local bakery to bake it.

539 Jenny describes buying a piece of cake for 10 cents from a bakery. Cute story.

554 Christmas, Thanksgiving, Easter, and Pinse all lasted three days. Easter is a big day in Denmark. Everyone had new clothes. This was the busiest time for Jenny.

564 CHRISTMAS: Celebrated Christmas for 3-4 weeks. Took down the tree in the middle of February. They went visiting during those weeks. They played games and sang. Had a good time.

592 CHILD RAISING: The children were raised strictly. Her father as a Christian and raised his children in this philosophy.

614 Jenny's stepsister, Kathryn Jensen moved to the US in 1903. She moved to New Castle, (State?). She had seven children. Her husband was a blacksmith.

623 TO USA: Jenny's husband's two uncle and a sister came to the US at the same time. It was in the Danish papers that there was lots of work in the US. One uncle was a blacksmith, the other a farmer, and the sister was a housewife. They worked in New Castle in the coal mine.

642 HUSBAND: Martinus Kristen Pedersen Fuglsang. Fuglsang came from his mother's homestead for many years, Gauerslund, Denmark. Gauerslund means quiet woods. This is on the east coast of Denmark.

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010 HUSBAND'S FAMILY: There were eleven children in her husband's family. He didn't like to stay at home because there were so many kids. He was sent out to farms when he was young. He always liked farming, horses, and cows.

019 He went on a sailing ship to Australia when he was 19. He got rheumatic fever in Italy and was in the hospital for four months. He got a job cooking so he wouldn't have to go back to Denmark.

036 Her husband wanted to get out and see the world. He jumped ship in Australia and worked for a soda factory and then for a farmer who had 100's of sheep. He did this for two years. He ate lots of lamb. He met another fellow from Copenhagen.

056 TO USA: He took a ship to the US which landed on Bainbridge Island, Washington. He had the address of his relatives in the US. He took a job as a sailor on a boat from Seattle to Alaska. Stayed in Alaska for two years and did gold mining and fishing.

070 Found his family one winter. He visited Jenny's sister on Bainbridge Island. Once a year they got all the Danes together.

085 Jenny's sister encouraged Jenny's husband to return to Denmark and visit his mother and marry Jenny. He worked as a sailor on the ship that he came to Denmark on. He visited his uncle in Esbjerg, Denmark. He also visited Jenny's family (good story).

108 Jenny's mother had terrible headaches probably because she did too much. She had all the kids and the store every day. Never had a day off. Everything closed on Sunday and everyone went to church.

122 Jenny met her husband in the store in 1921.

129 Jenny learned design in Copenhagen. She learned how to design, cut patterns, and fit clothes to the person. She could make lots of designs from knowing a few basic things. Jenny talks about this some detail.

153 Jenny's husband brought basic messages to the family from her sister in America. She liked him. He dressed in the America way. Went out to eat often. Jenny knew he was going to fall in love with someone.

179 Jenny got engaged to this fellow. Her parents had an apartment where they thought Jenny could live and do sewing. Jenny would often spend one week with a daughter getting married and sew the trussle, slip, underwear, pillow. She'd usually go the wedding and help.

196 Jenny had two sisters in America. One in New York and the other on Bainbridge, Island, Washington, Kathryn. Kathryn's husband was a blacksmith on the island. They had seven children.

205 MARRIAGE: They were married in the Methodist Church. She made her own dress. She had made her confirmation dress too. This was white although they used to be black.

212 WEDDING DRESS: She describes her dress. Methodists didn't have fancy white dresses. They didn't have a picture of the wedding taken.

228 Announced the wedding three weeks ahead of time. They were married on Pentecost Day June 4, 1922. There was a reception following.

235 LUTHERAN CHURCH: She belonged to the Lutheran church and it was dead. Didn't shake hands with the pastor. Didn't know many people in the church. Definite differences between the rich and the poor.

245 A Pentecostal group came to town and preached salvation, "born again" parents gave their hearts to the Lord. They had meetings at the Methodist Church. They had an American and Danish flag outside the church.

263 MOVED: To the east coast of Denmark to her husband's town. His uncle put him business selling wooden wares, axes, and wooded shoes. She describes her husband's business some. Made shoes for children in colored leather. All children wore wooden shoes.

285 Jenny was going to have a baby so they found another place to live. Her husband continued talking of the US. Jenny's father didn't want her to go to America. She couldn't speak English. She got books on Canada and the US from the library.

326 Father was the head of the house in Denmark you could go to him for anything. Mother just had the kids and worked her head off. So you were to respect men in Denmark and do more for them.

337 Jenny respected her father's opinion. She also respected her teachers, the pastor, and policemen.

344 CHILDREN: Son Neils Anker Pedersen Fuglsang. Born at home.

352 Jenny began thinking of going to the US. Her husband's sister was in the US. Another sister, Signe talked of moving to Canada from Denmark because there was lots of work and farming.

367 TICKETS: They tried to get tickets but it was difficult because so many were leaving the country.

371 LIFE IN DENMARK: It is a farming country, but it also has towns with other things. People have apprenticeships for a few years to learn jobs like carpentry and butchering. You go to evening school and learn more about the job. By age 18 they were quite independent.

387 SERVICE: There is one year compulsory service for all children.

398 TICKETS: Martinus' sister, husband, and daughter wanted to go to Canada. Hans, Signe, and Eva Japsersen (?) All went looking for tickets. Could only get tickets to Canada.

407 TO USA: Began selling wedding presents to get money. Decided to go to Canada. March 16, 1925 they were in Halifax, Canada. They left Copenhagen February 26, 1925. Came on the ship "Hellig Olaf."

424 OCEAN TRAVEL: Took three weeks to come over rough seas. She was scared and sick. Waves came over the ship.

434 They sold their apartment with furniture in Denmark. The money went to buy the tickets. They met Martinus' sister and family in Copenhagen. Jenny's parents still didn't want her to go.

448 LEARNING ENGLISH: Jenny had learned one year of English language in school. She bought more books to learn English.

454 TRIP: Landed in Halifax, Canada and came to Quebec, Canada.

462 BOAT TRIP: Sick after 1 1/2 days. People kept leaving one at a time from the room. Her brother, Karl was working on the same ship they were on. She was surprised to see him.

501 Met many young folks on the ship. Many people crying and singing. Could understand Norwegian but not the Finnish. Talked about the homes they left and what they were getting into.

517 Landed in Halifax, Canada and took the train to Quebec, Canada. Jenny's husband did the interpreting.

525 Went to Winnipeg, Canada because they knew some old friends from Denmark who lived there.

536 FINDING WORK: Put an ad in the paper advertising for work. A farmer Johnson answered the ad. He had 165 acres of wheat. He wanted Scandinavian workers because he knew they were hard workers.

550 This farm was outside of Winnipeg. Jenny started work at 5am. She fed the chickens, made butter (she describes) and baked bread from yeast cakes which she had never done before. An Indian woman explained to Jenny about the yeast but Jenny couldn't understand the Indian language.

600 Her first loaf of bread she was ashamed of because she threw it in the river and it sank to the bottom. She learned to make many things at this place.

620 There was a lot of work to be done. Neils was in the way sometimes. She made 15 pounds of butter a week and took it to Winnipeg to trade for groceries.

639 Wanted to make jello because they had it in Denmark. The farmer had never heard of it before. She made many things with jello.

670 Jenny tells some stories about her experience working on the farm.

695 Put Neils in a calf pen to keep him out of trouble.

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SIDE I

004 Began thinking about going west. Decided to go to Vancouver, British Columbia.

019 TRAIN TRAVEL: She talks about the train hold ups. Four horses had been killed on the tracks. Some men had fallen into the water on the side of the tracks. The doctor on the train helped the men. Jenny did some cooking on the train.

040 NEW FOOD: Talks about pies. Had never had this before in Denmark. Didn't think the bought pies were that good.

051 Waited a long time for a train. Got to know people better while waiting. Lots of need inland for farmers.

063 Landed in Vancouver, BC. Ate oatmeal and other food on the train. Splurged sometimes and ate in the dining car. Learned some Canadian this way.

073 Jenny talks about crying on Hasting street in Vancouver praying to the Lord to give them a home.

081 WORK: Put an ad in the paper and the next day got a call from a farmer on Twin Island. He had cows and calves too.

100 His name was Fred Olfield. This was a beautiful island in North Vancouver. Gives detailed description of the place they stayed.

104 Chris got up at 4am to milk the cows. They were milked three times a day. He also cleaned the barn. Inspectors came around often to check the farms for germs.

116 Jenny met a woman in the area. She couldn't understand her that well because of the language differences. Jenny did some work for her. She had modern appliances and a fancy house. Jenny wasn't paid for this. She was a friend to her.

145 Jenny talks about a big storm and having to sleep in the barn.

153 Were trying to get to the US. Went to see the consulate to get visas. Half a year went by before they heard anything. Jenny learned to take buses into town.

170 VISAS: They received them but only got two so they had to give them to someone else. They needed three.

184 Jenny spent more time with Mrs. Olfield. She learned about beets, carrots, and explained Danish to Mrs. Olfield.

191 Two Chinamen lived across the street. They tended gardens. They were good neighbors. They had hair down to their waist.

198 Talks about black people in Denmark. People stood and stared. They thought they were dirty.

213 VISAS: After 1 1/2 they got their visas. They packed and went to the US. They left behind many good friends. Met some family. Chris' uncle lived in Tolt, near Issaquah, Washington. He had a dozen cows, which he lost to flooding on his land.

237 LOOKING FOR WORK: Jenny took care of an older lady. Chris worked in a logging camp. Talks about the place where she lived. She comments on the apples that didn't grow as well in Denmark as in the US.

260 Husband didn't like logging. He went to the waterfront in Seattle. Met a friend he'd sailed with in Alaska, John Christensen, who lived in Ballard, Washington. John got Chris a job as a longshoreman. Jenny moved to Ballard in a halfway apartment.

297 Jenny got involved in the Lutheran Church. Neils went to Sunday School. Jenny had four girlfriends. Her English was improving. She began getting more work sewing.

307 CHILDREN: Jenny was having another child. Moved again so they'd have more space. Lived by the Pentecostal Church, which got noisy sometimes when they had their revivals.

328 SON. Bert works on the waterfront; the same work as his father. He's married, second time. Gives some detail of his first marriage and the divorce.

348 Neils drives a linen truck in Puyallup, Washington. He has three children.

355 CITIZENSHIP: 1940

358 Moved out of Ballard. Had a place with a garden. Lots of people in the old country had a garden. Lots of Finnish people Chris worked with. They lived in the area by Finn Hill.

371 They bought the place for $18,000 at $10 per month. It needed all the windows fixed before they moved in.

379 Continued sewing in Ballard when her husband was on strike. No welfare for them. Could go downtown for soup. Had oatmeal lots of times. Kids got a color book for 19 cents at Christmas.

390 Jenny had sign in her window "Sewing done here." She got good business. Continued sewing in Kirkland, Washington. Doesn't do as much now because of recent cataract surgery. She made good money sewing but not enough to pay all the bills.

410 NEW HOUSE: Was built before they moved in. Husband passes away in 1967. Jenny lives alone now.

424 They had a cow on their land. She made butter and cottage cheese in her spare time. Lots of Scandinavians in the community. Good community get togethers.

433 Jenny raised turkeys. Had 75 one year. Butchered some one summer for a big family get together.

442 TRIPS TO DENMARK: 1962. Her husband had told her the streets in American were paved in gold and they'd go to Denmark in 10 years. She didn't see any gold. Had to work for money.

452 Many old folks in the community have passed away. Doesn't see the young ones much anymore.

465 TRIP TO DENMARK: She went with a friend from Sweden. Her husband stayed home in the US. Flew from Seattle to Vancouver to Edmonton to Greenland to Amsterdam to Copenhagen. Met family in Copenhagen then went to Esbjerg.

512 NOT A LOT OF CHANGES. Visited church and school where she went. Visited her husband's family on the east coast.

536 CHANGES: Had modernized some. Had cars and washing machines. Churches were empty. People were tired of getting nothing. Full church were she used to go. Just a handful in the big churches.

574 SCHOOL: Schools go every day until 4 and Saturdays until 2. Keeps kids in school on Saturday while parents work. Women working more. People take off after 2 on Saturday that's why churches are dead. They teach religion in school still. First hour is learning from the Bible and the second hour is Christian singing.

600 Neils could speak Danish when he was small but he stopped when he went to school. Neils had his mother teach him some Danish.

620 Still does Danish cooking. They have a special event at church where Scandinavians share foods.

634 SCANDINAVIAN ORGANIZATIONS: Belonged to the Danish Brotherhood in Seattle. They had a big tree every year and contributed homemade decorations.

682 DANISH LANGUAGE: Still speaks Danish. Took her a few days to get used to the language again in Denmark.

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010 Speaks some Danish.

017 Moving to farm in Juanita, Washington. This place was in poor shape. They did much work on the house. Goes into some detail about this.

037 Bought a cow and a pig and turkeys. Were soon in the turkey business. Raised a big garden. Did lots of canning. Had peach and plum trees.

078 Met lots of neighbors. Other Scandinavians in the area.

090 Started church in the Legion Hall. Got lots of people together. They then bought a Funeral Parlor in Kirkland for more room. Trinity Lutheran Church. Bought land for a church.


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